Pennar Industries LtdQ2 FY23Industrial Manufacturing

Pennar Industries Ltd

Q2 FY23 Earnings Call Analysis

Management growth scorecard

Revenue

Category 3

Margin

Category 1

Fundraise

N/A

Order

Yes

Capex

Yes

3 of 4 growth signals are positive.

Revenue guidance

Category 3

→Revenue for FY24 expected to be higher than last year with solid growth plans across key verticals.
→Pre-engineered buildings (PEB) business projected to grow at double-digit rates both in India and the U.S.
→Body-in-white (BIW) business may double in size.
→Hydraulics and industrial components businesses expected to scale well through the year.
→U.S. subsidiary Ascent is growing by double-digit rates annually with a $45 million+ order book.
→Railway business growth to remain modest, not a focus area for hypergrowth.
→New capacity additions planned for Hyderabad, Chennai, Raebareli, and U.S. plants to drive volume growth.
→Large diameter steel tube capacity expansion underway expected to boost revenues over next few quarters.
→Overall quarterly revenue growth may moderate due to exiting low-margin businesses but compensated by scale-up in high-margin verticals.
→Long-term aim to multiply current revenue over next few years through focused expansion in key industries and geographies.

Category 1

→Pennar Industries aims for robust revenue and profit growth, focusing on high-margin businesses like hydraulics, BIW, pre-engineered buildings (PEB), and engineering services across India, the U.S., and Europe.
→The company targets a 5% PAT margin within the next 1-2 years, up from the current ~2.8%, implying nearly doubling net profits.
→Operating margins in key segments like PP are above 20%, with PBDT net margins of 10-15% achievable and currently trending at those levels.
→The U.S. subsidiary Ascent is projected to grow revenues at double-digit rates annually with around 10% PBDT margin.
→Pre-engineered buildings business expects sustained double-digit sales growth and operating margins around 15%, with margin expansion anticipated as capacity scales.
→Capital efficiency targeted above 20-25% ROCE, alongside steady margin improvements quarter-on-quarter.
→Railways business is stable but not targeted for hypergrowth; focus remains on scalable, higher-margin sectors.

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→There is no specific mention of any current or planned new fundraising through debt or equity in the provided transcript.
→The company is focusing on scaling existing businesses and deploying capital in areas like hydraulics, large diameter tubes, and pre-engineered buildings.
→CAPEX plans are still being finalized and are expected to be communicated in the next quarter; no concrete details on raising funds yet.
→Interest costs were higher recently due to working capital increase but are expected to moderate in the coming quarters.
→Share buybacks have been done regularly, and future buybacks will depend on Board decisions and regulatory changes, but no equity fundraising plans were mentioned.
→The emphasis appears to be on improving profitability, capital efficiency, and scaling through internal accruals rather than fundraising.

Yes

→Pre-Engineered Buildings (PEB) order book: Approx. Rs. 714 crore
→Railway order book: Approx. Rs. 110 crore
→Ascent (U.S. subsidiary) order book: Around $45 million (approx. Rs. 375 crore)
→Boilers business order book: Around Rs. 130 crore
→Order execution typically occurs over a 3-6 month period, longer for Railways
→The order book is considered short cycle, particularly for Ascent where projected revenue this year exceeds the current order book
→Management indicates being at a peak order level for Ascent
→PEB and Ascent capacity expansions expected to drive higher order intake going forward
→Railway order book is stable but not targeted for hyper-growth; Railways business will grow at a certain rate but is not the primary focus for large scale expansion

Yes

→Pennar is setting up a new pre-engineered buildings (PEB) plant in North India (Raebareli) with a total CAPEX of about Rs. 40 crore, expected to come online in the next couple of quarters, aiming for a two-year payback.
→They plan to expand capacity at existing PEB plants in Hyderabad and Chennai, as well as at their US plants.
→A Rs. 30 crore CAPEX is allocated for commissioning large diameter tube production, focusing on the high-margin market segment (8 inch and above tubes).
→Capital outlay for hydraulics and BIW business units is still under discussion and not finalized; management will update next quarter.
→No massive investments planned in Railways business; growth will be scaled at a certain rate without hypergrowth capital deployment.
→Capital efficiency target remains above 20%, aiming towards 25%, with continuous efforts to improve profitability and return metrics.

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